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I don’t know how wild a take this is, but I was thinking about how it’s kind of weird to make the Web sentient at the end, since it’s really one part of a fear soup and all that. Why would only one part of it be able to plan and think? Fear doesn’t plan anyway. It isn’t rational. 

The Fears are shaped by humans, like how since Jonah and Jon think of the Fears in Smirke’s 14, that’s why the ritual is that way. (I can’t remember if I saw this somewhere else or not, but it’s possible.) How we think of them sort of defines them. 

And the Web is all about manipulation and being controlled. So its avatars probably assume they are being controlled, carrying out some greater plan to widen the crack and all that. 

But what if it’s not? What if it’s just…their collective unconscious? (Not necessarily specifically Jung’s collective unconscious, but maybe.) Like a Ouija board where people move the ring (?) to the letters…subconsciously? Because the avatars thought they were being manipulated, the Fears reflected that and it made a sort of…well, web between all of them. Throughout the centuries, all Web avatars planned this great plan to escape to other realities. 

I suppose this weird idea implies that It Really Was Them All Along, which makes it scarier, I guess. It’s scarier if it was Just Luck All Along, because it’s like a landslide where every choice just pushes you irrevocably down a path of life. There’s no puppetmaster; it’s just you and everyone else and everything else

I do want to note that it’s possible this fits into ”theories that can’t happen and would fit into red-string retrospective week”. 

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The more I think about how little compassion the narrative gives Jonah, the more baffled I find myself. Granted, it's what he would have wanted; I can't imagine being understood and pitied on a meta level would please him if he knew, but I have reasons to believe that was not intentional on Jonny's part. And that hypothesis momentarily discarded, we're left with the problem of why the narrative is so unsympathetic to Jonah specifically.

As an example, Jane Prentiss got compassion despite being a murderer because she was afraid and human, and that was an excellent narrative choice; the way Jon thinks back to her once he begins to understand what she was through is beautiful and doesn't lack subtlety. Why is that not the case for Jonah? I cannot see how he's any less sympathetic than Jane; she also attempted a ritual, after all, though she of course was unsuccessful.

Season five is when the narrative begins to split from the usual framing of avatars as complex and terrified; Annabelle being reduced to a mouthpiece for the Web when she had been hinted to be just as complicated a person as, say, Jon is a good example of this trend. Even Peter's reasoning was explained in the season four finale. And yet Jonah, the reason why the story even exists at all and arguably the most human of all the villains, disappeared for almost the entirety of the season only to be remorselessly killed in a five-minute scene. Yes, his last words left an impression, but even that was interpreted by some as being the original Elias shining through (I'm not objecting to this interpretation, mind you; I think it's interesting, but it does allow some listeners to further dismiss Jonah's character).

The lack of a humane framing of Jonah could be, as I said, interesting from a meta point of view given that in-universe he is a character who very much controls his own narrative, and it'd be fascinating for that control to extend to the audience's perception, but I'm reluctant to give Jonny credit for that. After all, if that had been his intention, he wouldn't have written Jonah dying begging for his life, now, would he?

It is dubious what they were trying to do with him: is he supposed to inspire compassion? No, Jon doesn't even hesitate, and the fans' reaction says quite a bit in itself. Is he supposed to be framed as purely inhuman? Surely not, as there are few things as sympathetic as a man terrified for his life. Is he perhaps a two-dimensional villain, and his death meant to be cause for celebration? But then, why is he the only cardboard cutout in a cast full of breathing, living morally complex individuals? And why is he hinted to have a much richer inner world throughout the podcast, then?

If in season five after not hearing from Jonah in twenty episodes the episode opened with his voice saying “Rusty Quill presents... The Magnus Archives” in the smuggest tone possible... That would've been good, I think.

i dislike the tma fandom so much that i have all of the tags filtered so its always a relief seeing "contains filtered tags: jonathan sims, the magnus archives" and then looking up to see that you reblogged it

This blog is always a safe space for TMA fans who hate TMA fans.

Look, I just think the Eye and the Web should kiss.

Re that color ask, I'd love to hear what colors you associate with the different TMA characters/entities in general! I know a lot of people give yellow to the spiral, purple to the web etc.

Mm, I don't have many colour thoughts, but to me the Web is reddish. I agree that the Spiral is yellow, but it has to be a sickly yellow, not very bright.

I hate to hand anything to Wildbow, but the concept of the Simurgh in Worm would also be a really good take on the themes of the Web.

The Fears are at their scariest when they mess with autonomy and identity, which is why MAG 59 (years of being coerced into doing something as innocuous as brushing your teeth daily, turning you into someone you don't recognise) is one of the best Web episodes hands down. Same for the Flesh statements that focus in the de-individualization of the slaughterhouse assembly line, Stranger statements that focus on identity, and the psych ward Spiral episode.

Okay, now I'm curious. Reblog this and put in the tags whether you play an instrument (if so, what instrument?), what your favourite TMA character is, and your thoughts on Jonah Magnus.

Entities that should kiss, never mind that they're unknowable and also don't have lips and possibly not even feelings

This is NOT about their avatars. This is about which literal Entities should eldritchly kiss.

  • The Web and the Eye.
  • The Buried and the Web.
  • The Stranger and the Flesh.
  • The End and the Corruption.
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